tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post4510467470509836225..comments2023-10-19T10:26:39.049-04:00Comments on Art In The Market - Newsletter: Free Speech LosesUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-31151286559039828172010-08-07T13:40:53.444-04:002010-08-07T13:40:53.444-04:00I was displaying my art last night (August First F...I was displaying my art last night (August First Friday Art Walk)...and someone came by and told me he was running for City Comissioner. He gave me some literature. He is obviously a serious candiate. He said he would work to protect rights of artists. He said otherwise I would have to pay the mob boss.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-76506531255354892902010-08-06T20:45:17.551-04:002010-08-06T20:45:17.551-04:00I'm not really sure where we all come from, bu...I'm not really sure where we all come from, but in the park we were all in a way desperate and hungry....we shared that each and every one and Greg was one of us and we produced art...for the most part it was original art...at least for me it was and I got to paint and share my thoughts and laugh and most important I felt like I counted for this community....it was a good thing I thought and I was proud to be a part of the art movement in the park that represented that first commitment to art that represents the birth of art for any community...what a loss it is for all of us who call St Augustine home.....I'm not sure how well we were represented but I do know the birth of new artists in St Augustine is at a end.....and that is what really counts here!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-64738892362265037882010-08-06T18:22:05.890-04:002010-08-06T18:22:05.890-04:00Two years ago I screwed up courage to sell my art ...Two years ago I screwed up courage to sell my art in the park in St.Augustine.Gregory was the friendliest and most helpful person there.He brought customers to my display and he let me walk the wonderful Carl.When I told him that I didn't sell anything, he bought one of my small pieces insisting that he intended to when he saw it earlier.Everybody seemed to like him and know him and his dog.I never went out there again (it was draining)and have since moved away but I will do it again in Boston where I now live (and it's legal) cause Gregory told me it was good stuff.Thank you GregoryCynthianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-40603673976768743722010-08-06T15:46:42.890-04:002010-08-06T15:46:42.890-04:00He's still here painting not "drawing&quo...He's still here painting not "drawing".G.T.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-42376503348228763352010-08-06T14:57:55.622-04:002010-08-06T14:57:55.622-04:00I haven't seen Greg lately. Did he leave town?...I haven't seen Greg lately. Did he leave town?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-68466431572042689252010-08-05T21:18:52.272-04:002010-08-05T21:18:52.272-04:00Florida's manifest jurisprudence is a slap in ...Florida's manifest jurisprudence is a slap in the face to all but the wealthy.Idealism be damned.Culture be damned.I'm amazed that Greg even took on the fight.Arrest records have a way of multiplying by the same accusation causing rearrests.No convictions,no facts.Business is dirty on every level.We all get done dirty in the name of business as usual.'rebel without a pause'?Sounds like some one who's never faced oppresion or a First amendmant litigant who is practiced at keeping the poor down.Yes it's a fight and it will continue as long as corporate greed curtails individual freedom and as long as 'land of the free and home of the brave' are the last two phrases of the first verse of the national anthem.You are saying forget the message and kill the messenger.Come on convince me.bill mazzinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11582287753960339582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-84127057234821997342010-08-05T07:22:01.658-04:002010-08-05T07:22:01.658-04:00I've seen his Florida arrest record. Norman d...I've seen his Florida arrest record. Norman demonstrates credibility regarding the Florida matters. Yeah. Greg had some problems in Monroe County. Don't know about the Hawaii, Illinois, or Elaine.<br /><br />Once when Greg was boasting in this forum about his numerous arrests in St. Augustine, someone brought up his previous encounters with the law prior to his coming to town. Greg didn't deny anything, he simply refocused the attention on his "Artyrdom" arrests.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-20695926057601855042010-08-04T16:38:15.692-04:002010-08-04T16:38:15.692-04:00"Norman", whoever you are, yu are a smal..."Norman", whoever you are, yu are a small man indeed. I have known Greg for some time, and as others who know him as well probably think, I seriously doubt your accusations. Do you offer any proof of your slander?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-17932309827865022182010-08-03T16:00:52.328-04:002010-08-03T16:00:52.328-04:00I'm no fan of Greg, particularly his layman mi...I'm no fan of Greg, particularly his layman misapprehension of First Amendment jurisprudence. Picking on Greg's criminal history, self-defeating tactics or overly developed "rebel without a pause" persona is fair game. But bringing up family or his SSN is beyond dirty pool!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-66795810077254246802010-08-02T22:03:40.818-04:002010-08-02T22:03:40.818-04:00Has anyone actually seen Suvo draw?
Nope.Has anyone actually seen Suvo draw?<br />Nope.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-35809174702070420562010-08-01T20:28:35.448-04:002010-08-01T20:28:35.448-04:00bactoHey Norman,you are way off base.I don't k...bactoHey Norman,you are way off base.I don't know what's got you carrying such a grudge but Greg Travous has been doing honorable community service in St Augustine and keeping some humor afloat about the whole situation.Why don't you give him a call.He does have friends and a cultural calling.You might even end up not angry at him.bill mazzinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11582287753960339582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-8798444500767853272010-08-01T19:18:28.176-04:002010-08-01T19:18:28.176-04:00Norman,
No matter what your beef is with Greg, you...Norman,<br />No matter what your beef is with Greg, you are no less of a criminal for posting someone's SSN for all to see...shame on you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-4929862107568412282010-07-07T16:15:15.159-04:002010-07-07T16:15:15.159-04:00Doing art is work,selling it is art.Doing art is work,selling it is art.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-66951836376974133742010-07-02T09:28:00.968-04:002010-07-02T09:28:00.968-04:00It is sad to read how freedom has been defeated in...It is sad to read how freedom has been defeated in St. Augustine. America has slipped into a moral decline. The First Amendment is not respected. The police and local authorities hold no respect for the citizen and the Federal Government is controlled by corporations, many of which are international, who are masquerading as humans under the law. <br /><br />If the best we can hope for is for this nation to fail so we can start over then this is a sad day.<br /><br />I for one will continue to use art in Chicago to resist to the end. Being smart about the struggle means resisting at a level that can be sustained. That is why I have designed the Art Patch Project to continue to build on public awareness over time. Time is a monster that no-one controls. Ideas can not be killed or jailed. <br /><br />The idea of your rebellion lives on even after your efforts are defeated. The ideas you fought for are noble. I salute you and continue to support your ideas. Small people die leaving behind not a shred of thought as a memory. You left behind a legacy. Yours was a battle - not a war. The war goes on. This is a national issue. The fight continues.Uptown Multi-Cultural Arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09397919087294376747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-20863804782364524542010-07-01T14:28:03.944-04:002010-07-01T14:28:03.944-04:00Gregorio: I miss you and the days in the Plaza. ...Gregorio: I miss you and the days in the Plaza. As an artist,I miss your enthusiasm and support. Most of all, I miss your humor. Thank you for everything.<br /><br />Your friend,<br />Elizabeth HarrisElizabeth's Studionoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-61446628864775680002010-07-01T14:25:47.302-04:002010-07-01T14:25:47.302-04:00The public should know: In the course of life the...The public should know: In the course of life there are only a few individuals and only a few individuals with courage--the courage to face a power structure that protects their own self interest over individual rights with the help of local politicians and the police department.<br /><br />Suvo, a St. Augustine artist, faced this power structure demanding the Constitutional rights of all artists. Yet, even though the Federal Court ruled that paintings are free speech and artists--like newspapers--have a right to show and subsist, Suvo was arrested and thrown in jail for selling his paintings. Although, specifically, the Federal 3rd District Court of Appeal ruled that St. Augustine must allow painters the right to sell in the Plaza de la Constitucion, Suvo was sited again. <br /><br />What are the consequences of individuals with courage facing a corrupt power structure?<br /><br />*Even though all charges against Suvo were civil disobedience and not criminal charges, and in court all charges against Suvo were dropped, the arrests are not erased from his record. Try to get a job with arrest marks on your record.<br />*Spending time in jail for selling his paintings has had its physical costs. Suvo's health has suffered. (He is not a young man.)<br />*Spending his own money to get access to the law has left Suvo destitute. <br />*The town politicians and police want revenge and harass Suvo continuously.<br />*His own colleagues have abandoned him by indifference. <br /><br />Let this be a warning to all "individuals" in the USA. This could happen to you.<br /><br />Landlord politicians can soak retailers with high rents. The cooperations will let you buy an AK47 with armor piercing bullets. But don't sell your painting in the Plaza de la Constitucion.<br /><br />People like Henry David Thoreau, Rosa Parks, and Suvo suffer the consequences, but we the timid benefit by their courage.<br /><br />R.Childs, President of the United States Street Artist Union<br /><br />P.S. Proud to know Suvo and to call him my colleague.Richard Childsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-90038592995157345872010-06-28T17:12:47.387-04:002010-06-28T17:12:47.387-04:00Let me ask the city employee who wrote earlier.
T...Let me ask the city employee who wrote earlier.<br /><br />The courts have said that you cannot charge a fee for first amendment activity..... the city recognized this refunded all a few years past.<br /><br />Now the city is charging a fee once again charging a fee and why........because Greg took this thing to Federal Court and won? So the fee is a punative action against the artists for standing p for their rights?<br /><br />Also, I know of not one artist who, informed of the situation who did not support Greg.If there were artists against Greg's actions they were to timid to voice themselves.Artist who left townnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-59097505944967501882010-06-28T16:40:48.810-04:002010-06-28T16:40:48.810-04:00In response to the last comment:
Yes, I regret th...In response to the last comment:<br /><br />Yes, I regret that the post does have a "poor me" aspect to it, but frankly look at me as representing ALL artists in the same position fighting for our rights.<br /><br />Artists were being charged over 1000 dollars a year for "permits" that the Federal Courts had previously affirmed as illegal.<br /><br />"Some artists are more equal than others?" The courts have also determined that prints, paintings and sculpture carry full first amendment protection.Not so with jewelry, potholders and household items.<br /><br />No one ever suggested eliminating time place and manner authority. The key word is "reasonable time, p and m". Establish reasonable rules and most <br />Importantly......enforce them.<br /><br />"Only a handful of artists can afford to pay a larger sum of money." This may be true especially if you call a handful ,two artists. If you do not see a blatant rights violation here (only profitable art can be shown) then we are miles apart in our interpretation of civil rights.If a 12 year old artist wants to display and sell her work on one Saturday a month, she should not be photographed at City Hall and charged 75 dollars to do so.<br /><br />The Art In The Market logo and tag was established years before my arrival in St. Augustine....and yes, that is a strange coincidence.Greg Travousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-38671778244717126652010-06-28T15:26:43.040-04:002010-06-28T15:26:43.040-04:00Everyone loves a martyr. (John Desanto is a much ...Everyone loves a martyr. (John Desanto is a much better martyr figure for the local public artist scene.) And not to make Greg feel worse, but for the sake of the local artists, perhaps he should have kept on going down the road.<br /><br />An alternative view of Greg's impact in St. Augustine in five eras:<br /><br />The "Art in the Plaza" Era--before Greg blows into town, artists of EVERY kind sell in the Plaza for a pittance fee. Local artists make a living.<br /><br />"Some Artists Are More Equal Than Other Artists" Era--Greg complains to City that he (as a painter) and other painters, photographers, printers and sculptors should not be charged a fee and should be treated differently than others. City subscribes to Greg's suggestion. Local painters, photographers, printers and sculptors get refunds from City and flak from those who don't get refunds.<br /><br />"Who Dare Define Art" Era--Greg spearheads challenge to City for subscribing to treating painters, photographers, printers and sculptors differently than others. Some local painters wonder and worry. <br /><br />"All Or Nothing" Era--City gets out of the business of trying to define art. Greg spearheads move to eliminate "time, place, manner" regulation of protected activity.<br /><br />ALL THIS CONCLUDES WITH THE FINAL ERA:<br /><br />"Art in the Market" Era--only a handful of artists can pay a larger sum of money to operate in covered old slave market. <br /> <br />Strange how Greg named his movement "Art in the Market"--like a self-fulfilling prophecy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-1949274701823119382010-06-27T01:36:26.552-04:002010-06-27T01:36:26.552-04:00Have you thought about going back to New York? I&...Have you thought about going back to New York? I"m sure they would treat you better there. Your kind of art might really take off in that creative atmosphere! You have so much energy why waste it on Saint Augustine!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-6951469068962736382010-06-26T15:38:43.980-04:002010-06-26T15:38:43.980-04:00Following it and doing something about it are two ...Following it and doing something about it are two different things.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-3793131964917276502010-06-26T13:51:03.392-04:002010-06-26T13:51:03.392-04:00I'm really sorry to hear the outcome of the fi...I'm really sorry to hear the outcome of the fight to keep art on the streets of St. Augustine. It's hard to accept that artist's having civil rights is nothing more than fantasy. Falling on the sword for a cause is always done in the end alone and it's painful...for the record Greg I think your effort was remarkable and the years I had creating and painting in the park were wonderful..thank you for the effort....graylancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00764973869330204661noreply@blogger.com