tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post6432231939519417594..comments2023-10-19T10:26:39.049-04:00Comments on Art In The Market - Newsletter: Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-62694814334633191972009-06-02T14:26:50.678-04:002009-06-02T14:26:50.678-04:00Hey Theysureknowsus-
Neither Carlos nor Not Carlo...Hey Theysureknowsus-<br /><br />Neither Carlos nor Not Carlos is Mexican. This is called humor.<br /><br />Lighten up, Lancelot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-53572056729024392422009-06-01T17:03:03.534-04:002009-06-01T17:03:03.534-04:00Your snide comments continue to prove me correct, ...Your snide comments continue to prove me correct, Carlos...or Not Carlos...whatever. Better shine up your armor, a battle is at hand.theyshoothorseshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08412364969578570429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-92090712252271914212009-06-01T16:49:20.702-04:002009-06-01T16:49:20.702-04:00Not everyone named Carlos is Mexican. Suvo many ti...Not everyone named Carlos is Mexican. Suvo many times calls me "Carlos" and sometimes he calls me ...ugh! "Baby"....Hell! I'm a 14 year old macho Rottweiler and he's callin' me "Baby"!Karlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402064767161926272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-49189311543968017072009-06-01T16:21:53.699-04:002009-06-01T16:21:53.699-04:00Theyshoothosers:
The word is "doth."
Shakespea...Theyshoothosers:<br /><br />The word is "doth." <br /><br />Shakespeare, shinola. Don't worry about. Brushing up on Early Modern English grammar would be easier than figuring out caselaw. So, don't hurt yourself.<br /><br />Not CarlosAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-27656786194038168272009-06-01T15:37:28.458-04:002009-06-01T15:37:28.458-04:00Carlos: (aka Anonymous) " Methinks thou doest prot...Carlos: (aka Anonymous) " Methinks thou doest protest too much".theyshoothorseshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08412364969578570429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-10149278918811300902009-06-01T15:20:22.015-04:002009-06-01T15:20:22.015-04:00Hey theyshootblanks
I'm the real anonymous. My n...Hey theyshootblanks<br /><br />I'm the real anonymous. My name's not Carlos. I ain't even Mexican.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-79588125741991840302009-06-01T14:01:35.095-04:002009-06-01T14:01:35.095-04:00Thanks Carlos....errr Anonymous... I'll look that ...Thanks Carlos....errr Anonymous... I'll look that one up.theyshoothorseshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08412364969578570429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-59075795272103315182009-05-29T11:59:51.929-04:002009-05-29T11:59:51.929-04:00"Unfortunately, it is too simplistic."
..."Unfortunately, it is too simplistic."<br /><br />>That is where the law language comes in directing the use of special use permits. I gave the simplified version for everyone. <br /><br />If I'm correct the city was told they needed to proved an outlet for, what they are now calling, Commercial Speech Vendors. (What next?)The special events are those venues. I think you guys are making this too difficult. You are stuck in the decision making business. We have a federal judgment, use it! I didn't see any departure from basic visual art displayed by the artists in the Plaza this week. What's the overworking of brainpower on the judgment?<br /><br />Just provide direction to the other venders to the planned venues hosted by organizations. There are lots of them throughout the year. They are traffic generators for their products. Supply and demand will dictate the need of the special permit holders.<br /><br />I won't be checking back on this subject, I'm beginning to think there are those that can't care about St. Augustine and our future. There is no wonder of why the artists needed lawyers. They are dealing with hardheads that are perpetuating continued legality on the matter.<br /><br />We love you artists and what you contribute to our wonderful city, hang in there!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-27536679139059482112009-05-29T08:43:57.919-04:002009-05-29T08:43:57.919-04:00Reading the Constitution will not tell you whether...Reading the Constitution will not tell you whether commercial speech is protected by the First Amenedment.<br /><br />You have to look at Supreme Court rulings to see how it's been interpreted.<br /><br />In 1980, the Supreme Court made a determination that commercial speech WAS protected and gave it intermediate scrutiny. Gov't CAN regulate it, but it is still protected speech.<br /><br />"theyshoothorses", if you are actually interested in removing your head from your behind and trying to understand what you are talking about, then read Central Hudson Gas v. Public Service Commission, 447 U.S. 557 (1980). That was the seminal case on the matter and tens or hundreds of cases have re-affirmed this proposition.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-34422294885390624242009-05-29T08:41:23.182-04:002009-05-29T08:41:23.182-04:00Really a great plan. With a few phone calls and l...Really a great plan. With a few phone calls and letters, a few commissioners might well get around a plan that simple. Unfortunately, it is too simplistic.<br /><br />In fact it would be struck down in a minute by any state or federal court as being too vague. Writing laws that withstand judicial scrutiny actually is difficult. <br /><br />For example. One would need to define "visual art" with such precision and clarity that no two people could reasonably disagree about what could be sold. Trying to define "sculpture" would be taxing starting point.<br /><br />One might suggest going with some formula like weighing the functional value against the communication value of the object. Unless everyone would agree on every outcome, courts will strike that down as giving too much discretion to law enforcement.<br /><br />But more suggestions would be great. Positive posts from all, constructive ideas! Smells like cooperation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-28989882006941013192009-05-28T19:46:18.786-04:002009-05-28T19:46:18.786-04:00The above sounds like a good planThe above sounds like a good plankarlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-69070338533592828192009-05-28T19:42:41.753-04:002009-05-28T19:42:41.753-04:00To be clear, the above was not posted by one of th...To be clear, the above was not posted by one of the Visual Artists.<br /><br />Signed,<br />St. Augustine LiferAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-87362919701877644072009-05-28T19:26:48.248-04:002009-05-28T19:26:48.248-04:00This is what needs to be done by the city for ever...This is what needs to be done by the city for everything other than visual art:<br /><br />The City of St. Augustine must get out of the individual vendor 10 dollar permit business on Plaza event days. When a non-profit receives a special use permit they become the go to people for the venders. They decide what is a good fit based on their type of event. The allowed vendors, under the special use permit, fall under the liability insurance of the non-profit. They become the overseer of what is allowed to participate with them under that special use permit. The vendors under the special use permit must be setup in close proximity to the event and be considered participating in the event.<br /><br />No vendor except the Visual Artists may setup on days not special permitted by a city approved event. <br /><br /><br />The city doesn't make the 10 dollars off each vendor but they are out of the decision making process once the special use permit is issued. Basically it’s not your problem. Venues are provided, it’s up to the vendors to sell products that complement different events.<br /><br />This would clean up the mess.<br /><br />You city boys can steal this simple submission if you like! Save a buck, drop con. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-64865833030548286752009-05-28T16:13:43.870-04:002009-05-28T16:13:43.870-04:00For the Ump-teenth time.....Commercial Speech is N...For the Ump-teenth time.....Commercial Speech is NOT...repeat... NOT... 1st Amendment Protected Speech! Now if after ALL THIS TIME you don't understand the difference, then perhaps you need to study the Constitution of the United States! This blog has done an excellent job of attempting to educate the average "Joe the Plumber" in the 1st Amendment, but obviously, there are SOME who just don't get it and never will! So, to those...please, please, please either educate yourself or shut the hell up! We're sick of the ignorance!theyshoothorseshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08412364969578570429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-73611878245569626812009-05-28T15:35:30.709-04:002009-05-28T15:35:30.709-04:00I too think the artists should be able to sell the...I too think the artists should be able to sell their art in town, but you can't allow artists then forbid other legitimate vendors. <br /><br />The City would be crazy to allow enforcement in the manner requested by the artists. If I want to sell sunglasses or t-shirts, my commercial speech is just as protected as the artits.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25016546.post-40966100568703742692009-05-28T14:25:22.453-04:002009-05-28T14:25:22.453-04:00Nicely and clearly put. These artists are not wild...Nicely and clearly put. These artists are not wild eyeded revolutionaries but actually are performing a patriotic act just as those mothers who are suing the school district for having the kids sing blatantly biased Christian songs.<br /><br />It is too bad that I've got to be anonymous here in this extremely conservative comunity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com